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Old 19th October 2010, 04:54 PM
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Default 7 Wasted years.

The last 7 - but there is only 7 months to go to the next Election - Have you registered on the Padrone - so that you can register to Vote this Month for next May's elections ????

AUAN had a meeting yesterday (18th October) in Macael with the Delegate for Public Works and Housing, the Director General for Urban Planning and the Director General of the Planning Inspectorate of the Junta de Andalucia.

After the meeting, the President of AUAN, Maura Hillen, said, “We are bitterly disappointed with outcome of the meeting. This was supposed to be a working party to discuss a road map towards the legaliation of properties; no work group was formed, neither were we given the supposed road map. We aren’t clear, in fact, what the purpose of the meeting was nor why we were invited.

The first legal proceedings were initiated seven years ago. Since then not one single house has been legalised. Seven years of opportunity have already been wasted.

In our opinion, the Junta doesn’t know how to deal with the problem. Therefore, we presented them with a white paper outlining some possible solutions, asking them to study them and give us their opinion.

We hope the Junta wasn’t simply playing to the gallery in calling this meeting and that they will be brave and intelligent enough to take concrete steps, have a constructive dialogue with the affected parties, and offer fast and effective solutions which we believe can only be achieved by a change in the law.

Politicians can no longer afford to ignore the social and economic damage being inflicted on this valley by their failure to effectively address urban chaos”

No Vote = No Voice.

Can't be Bothered ? well don't moan when things don't change.
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Old 19th October 2010, 06:03 PM
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c,mon people do you really think the junta are interested, as long as they are lining their own pockets they are never going to sort things out,it is the old boy network here, as for voting the last time we did it we had a argument with the admin in the local school over I.D ,we threw our papers away ,but very late in the day,we had one of the party leaders come round and offered to take us to the polling station,we told him we had no papers, NO PROBLEMA!! as he fished out some more for us!!! getting back to the junta, they and the goverment of spain even laugh about the EU coming down on them,ex-pats are just minnows,but people will still buy here no matter what
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Old 23rd October 2010, 10:34 AM
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Hola,

We were speaking to a good friend of ours who has just retired from the legal profession in the UK, he was being asked to pay around 700 euros over here as part of dotting the "i's" etc for paperwork for his house he has owned for many years. He proposed to his abogado that the 700 euros could not be applied as it was "retrospective" (don't know the full details), the abogado went away and checked and returned saying that he was absolutely correct, the charge couldn't be applied retrospectively, feeling rather pleased with himself he asked what would now happen, she told him that a "court arena" would now be put in place by the "authorities" to play out the proceedings, he asked how much this was likely to cost him, she replied.....around 800 euros sir!

Can you guess what he did next??

My point is.....when the "authorities" are in the wrong, we will still not win....when the "authorities" are in the right......answers on a postcard!

Of course we must try......but don't hold your breath, the bigger the "body" that campaigns against the "authority" the better.

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Old 23rd October 2010, 03:19 PM
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Nice to see you back Mickeyj,

I totally agree with your last comment about the bigger the ' Body ' that campaigns the better.

What I cannot understand is the lack of people which for one reason or another although they know they live in an illegal house do not join the Auan - which is really the only ' Body ' with any clout in Albox.

Are they all waiting till the demolition notices drop through their letterboxes and then rush to join in a mad dash - the time will come when the Auan will have to say - sorry, our finances only allow us to help members - and people who have been members for over 6 months not 6 hours.
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Old 2nd November 2010, 10:48 PM
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Unfortunately the AUAN have no clout,how much has been achieved since their inaugaration.The Junta merely feed them snippets of nonsense.Albox and Arboleas are for the spanish,not other eu citizens.
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Old 6th November 2010, 09:41 AM
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Hola,

OK then let's have a brainstorming session.......how would you go about increasing the membership of the AUAN so that the Junta has to start taking notice and acting.

One overall body representing Andalucia ( AULAN, SOFA etc) umbrella'd with the existing biggest body, must be like flies to the Junta at the moment!

Sheriff, I wonder what Alistair Campbell is doing at the moment? A good friend of mine believes a good PR person is required to kick the hornet's nest.

Let's have your suggestions then.

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Old 8th November 2010, 08:27 AM
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Mikeyj,

The Auan are at present doing a survey in all the areas around here to see if they can find out why, out of the possible 7,000 - 10,000 people that should be members - ie. Living in properties that they know are classed as ' Illegal ' and are not members. Why are there only 6 / 700 of us ????

Unfortunately there are still so many people , that hope if they ignore the problem long enough - it will go away - It will not - every case that comes to court these days - Demolishing of the Properties is applied for - and it is not thrown out by the Courts - One day it may be their property.

There are many more that are not prepared to pay the pittance the membership of the Auan is compared to the value of what is at risk - thier own property

These people are quite prepared to sit around with thier head up thier ----'s and let other people fight thier battles - and let other people's money be used to fight what is also thier battle - and to pay for all the cost of employing Solicitors and Planning Professionals not tied to this area - so that impartial true advice is obtained.

Since inception the Auan has spent over € 15,000 in obtaining advice on how to fight the problems the correct way - and for Solicitors to give advice to those appearing in courts defending the people whose properties were under threat.

I would point out to Alboxian there are at least the owners of 8 properties in Albox who would profoundly disagree with you on the Auan having no clout of any kind - Court cases have been re-opened on most of these - so that the owners can have thier say and day in court -which they did not get the opportunity of doing before the ruling to knock the properties down was passed before - this was only due to the action of the Auan.

The Junta do not keep feeding bits of false information - the Junta just play dirty - Snr Capparros rarely had the guts to meet with them - his replacement agreed to a meeting which was deferred time and time again - and when it did take place nothing was achieved - Why - She had been moved on to another department - and her replacement and the team did not have any time ??? to come up with any suggestions to solving the problem.

Not having any suggestions of thier own they were quite happy to take away with them the Auan's carefully prepared document on how the problems could be solved.

The problem with Albox at present is the Alcalde will not meet with the Auan - which in itself is against the Law - but he's not bothered about a little thing like that - He and the Council are obliged by Law to meet any representatives of any locally elected body.

His excuse is the Auan tell Lies - I personally find this excuse offensive because all the statements { Lies } the Auan have published in the last couple of years about Albox & Arboleas - denied by all in positions of authority and other so called representatives of the people - have turned out to be the Hidden Truth.

Arboleas where there were not any problems at all according to the Council - and this was shouted from the rooftops by the ' incouncil representative ' as being Auan lies - Suddenly have to do a complete U Turn - having discovered it's the Council that has been telling all the Lies and not the Auan.

Lets hope this recruitment drive has a positive result - and get people like Alboxian in fighting -as opposed to being on the outside saying the Auan is doing nothing - As Mikey says the bigger the group the more clout we have.

Don't forget this next Election is where YOU CAN make your voice heard ????? the alternative is at least another 4 years with the same NO action from the Councils.

NO VOTE = NO VOICE So register to vote NOW - and Vote when the time comes.

If you can't be bothered and Don't Vote - Well stop Bloody Moaning because you're part of the probem
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Old 9th November 2010, 01:53 PM
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Hola Sheriff,

(The problem with Albox at present is the Alcalde will not meet with the Auan - which in itself is against the Law - but he's not bothered about a little thing like that - He and the Council are obliged by Law to meet any representatives of any locally elected body.) - One of my main points Sheriff - at the moment, the AUAN is like a fly to those they are trying to approach, he can ignore you whether it's legal or no, because atm the AUAN is still insignificant in their eyes.

Don't get me wrong I would dearly love to see the authorities here in Spain put through the wringer and the AUAN are doing the best they can with limited support, it needs a body that starts to excert some real pressure, can you just imagine 10,000 spaniards marching through the streets of Albox and knocking at the Alcalde's door, he wouldn't ignore that now would he?

Personally, I believe the only win win situation is with a complete amnesty, everybody legal, everybody contributing, everybody able to sell if they desire, buy with safety etc etc.

For my "brainstorm" I would like to see an amnesty forced down their throats, campaigned for by a good PR person, with a deal of clout behind him/her, i.e. force of numbers.

Therein lies the problem, would a good PR campaign start bringing in those numbers, the rest may follow.

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Old 9th November 2010, 04:49 PM
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Just heard in the last hour the Albox Alcalde has agreed to a meeting after all this time - A date has been set - only time will tell if he turns up ?????

They wont agree to an amnesty because then the council will become finacially responsible for the urbanisation costs ?????
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Old 9th November 2010, 05:52 PM
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They do really need to take those blinkers off don't they?

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