Looking to buy

[sutu]

Our spanish builder has properties for sale or rental, for information or viewing call 679 937 844 for information

[ramblagirl]

I have and it's rubbish. Some pictures are from 2005.

[juanfrancisco]

sutu, If you are not wishing for comments from users, perhaps it would be better not to make any posts. After all, this is a forum. Please feel free to make any comments you wish about this post.

[Knowall - Impersonator]

Of course, you are a registered estate agent and are complying with decree 218 aren't you?
You must be as you wouldn't want to receive the heavy fines that are being handed out to both online and office trading agents that don't have in their possession all the legal paperwork for all the properties they're advertising :)

[digifidd]

Sutu,

I have had a look at your website and wanted to know, how can you advertise for sale what is effectively agricultural land and say that planning permissions are possible?:D

Also, what do you consider to be a legal property?

[sutu]

I have never claimed to be an estate agent, just help to sell properties for our spanish builder.

[Knowall - Impersonator]

Don't builders build? Is your builder also an estate agent as 'He' is advertising properties for sale? What is the name of of 'Your' builder? Where is his office?

I think you've missed the boat selling property in Spain, does your 'builder' have any in Bulgaria, that appears to be the 'In' place nowadays ;)

:cool:

[sterling]

Oh stop it you two:)

[digifidd]

I think the point that Knowall is trying to make Sutu, in that as acting as selling point for your builder, you are doing an agents job and as such acting as an agent. (step in here Knowall if I am wrong).

There are regulations in place to stop this happening, especially by people who have no real knowledge of the property selling business, the legal implications and requirements of doing so.

Do you know what constitutes a legal build in Spanish property law or are you just doing what your Spanish builder tells you? Just an escritura on its own doesn't cut it. Permissions, licenses, right land classification are just part of it.

The thing is, we knew English people who did this for a Spanish developer, introducing clients to them for a cut of the commission (I think the phrase was: un poco dinero para mi, un poco dinero para ti!")
Those English people believed everything that the Spanish told them as they trusted them to tell the truth re legality. They thought these people were friends. They were lied to, didn't get the commission promised and helped to dupe English people into buying. These Spanish people even helped them set up an estate agency in town.

The reason I know this, is that it is precisely how we bought our house and have found out subsequently that it is illegal despite having some paperwork. These English friends (now ex friends), who were pally with the Spanish developer, introduced us, showed us the property, said it was all legal (100%). Our lawyer that they introduced us too (bearing in mind that they were our friends and we trusted the solicitor THEY used for their personal work) said it was fine and promptly drew up a contract that favoured the seller without doing the checks we asked for. The first lawyer had said it was fine and then got cold feet after six weeks, but wouldn't give an explanation. These friends were ignorant of Spanish property law but tried to pass themselves off as knowledgeable in fact, I think they considered it easy money for little effort.

You may think that you are doing this Spanish builder a favour, but you may not be doing the same for a prospective buyer. Any house built last year in a rural location is 90% bound to be illegal no matter what your builder says. Agricultural land is just that, for agriculture. It is difficult to get the classification changed to urbana, especially in the current climate - town halls being done for dodgy planning decisions and the number of illegal builds in the area that have already been bought on this type of land. Some even have registered escrituras!

PLEASE, if you dont know Spanish real estate law, dont sell these houses and possibly make someones dream a nightmare.:(
I know people have to make a living, but not at other people's expense.

[sutu]

The builder is not an estate agent, I am not an estate agent, just good friends, nothing illegal, nothing underhand, I may be english but dont tar us all with the same brush please. The english are the worse ones for ripping off here. Maybe you should have gone to BULGARIA then knowitall (oh sorry did I get your name wrong)

[Knowall - Impersonator]

If you or your builder are not estate agents, why are you advertising properties for sale on an obviously amateurish website? Somebody is trying to make money...:rolleyes: But are you legal? That is the important question..:)

[digifidd]

Sutu, I think that you are missing the point I am trying to make.

I do not think that you would intentionally rip people off, I think our ex friends didn't mean to get us ripped off or anyone else they dealt with, but their ignorance in selling Spanish property for their Spanish friends, meant just that.

They trusted their Spanish friends to know Spanish property law and not to lie to them and they thought that they were just helping their friends out selling the properties while getting some extra income.

They were let down just as much as we were.

You are still refusing to answer the question about how well you know Spanish property law. Incidentally, as you are trading on the internet as tranquilspanishhomes, surely that makes you an agent and an unauthorised one at that?

[David C]

Sutu, I strongly advise you to listen to the genuine good advice being given to you. A few years ago I was offered a very lucrative cut in property being sold by people I trusted [and still do] but quickly I realised that I wasn't knowledgeable enough to get involved with what has turned out to be a corrupt industry where so many involved including the local government officers and legal profession cannot be relied on to be truthful, accurate or honest. Lives can be ruined by your innocent endeavours. I am now 7 years into buying my own villa and with the help of my Spanish builder, a good truthful solicitor and support from resident neighbours I think I now own a legal villa [al-be-it with some issues that will probably never get resolved].

[Olè]

I think sutu maybe desperate to earn money (see employment wanted post) and it´s a means to an end.

Personally, I don´t think there are many takers for Spanish property at the moment in this area - legal or not :(